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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:33 pm
by Terry
I've read that before Mike. That's where I came up with my numbers being 65 apart and the 5,079th sold but what is missing and is indicated by this, "insufficient data" is what I'd like to know. Where did Ruff get the info, from Honda or members? Honda should have the numbers.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:11 am
by EMS
All the numbers for years except 1979 are uncertain. That is one reason, why I tried to record VIN-numbers.
I think as a result, we found out that there were more 1981s than originally believed there were, because we found serial number....5672.
1979 are very close to 24,000. 1980s are belived to be around 4,500-5,000 (there is record of an engine number ...4,745)
1981s were at least 5,600 and 1982s probably not more than 3,000.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:25 am
by Mike Barone #123
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:12 pm
by cbxtacy
and here are the vin's of my CBX's in California:
Stock 82-Date of Manufacture 6-81: jh2sc0605cc400086: sco3e2400122
82 Turbo (not orig motor): DoM 7-81: jh2sc0607cc401188: cb1e2020782
81 Jack Bike: DoM 2-81: jh2sc0609bc300653: sco3e2300748 (not sure if orig motor)
79 Wire Wheel: DoM 8-78: cb1 2009356: cb1e2020735:(definitely not orig motor)
2 motors on floor: cb1e 2012306 and 2016565. Both with #'s in old place and spiral studs.
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:43 am
by sqrly
Here is my first post so I say... Hi.
A few years ago I acquired from my uncle, an all original '79 that he bought new.
It has 3714.7 miles on the odometer. The Vin 2002690.
What do I have, is there anything that I need to be aware of when searching for parts to restore this bike?
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:29 am
by alimey4u2
Welcome to the site
sqrly....
What condition is the bike in, is it a rider, what parts do you think need attention ?
Cheers, Larry
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:25 am
by EMS
I think it is really great to see that ever so often an old thread is being resurrected and thus being updated. Especially by a newcomer -WELCOME sqrly!
You have an early 1979 and the only thing that comes to mind that may be an issue is, that you still may have the early smooth cylinder studs in your motor. That change was not made until later in the 4000 range.
Other than that it sounds you have a great, low mileage bike there. Let us know more, or try to post some pictures (we can help).
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:27 am
by sqrly
Here it is in all it's glory. It sat in a barn for many years and judging by the degredation of the plastic bits (like turn signals, controlls, etc.) I would say it was it the sun for a couple years too. There is a fair amount of corrosion on the engine cases, I am still not sure what to do about that.
I am not sure what you mean by smooth cylinder studs. If your talking about the ones that exposed between the cylinders, they are spiral. I have never seen bolt shanks that look like that (and I am a machinist). Which are better?
Where is the engine number located? I read on here about the "65" digit differance between frame and engine numbers.
The bike has not been started in at least 15 years, more likely 20, so no it does not run.
Stupidly, I want this bike to be showroom new when done. I have many other bikes, but this one is a legend in my family. I will be finishing my '96 GSX-R750 complete overhaul and my '75 CB360T overhaul, very soon. So, I figure it is time to start gathering parts and info for the CBX.
I resurrected this thread cause I used the search function, and I am sure y'all have had enough threads about VIN numbers.
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:51 am
by EMS
If the threads are spiral, the studs have been replaced! Good! This was an improvement on the later bikes.
The engine serial number is not easily visible on the early bikes. It is stamped on top of the primary case, behind the clutch housing.
Corroded engine cases can be restored by repainting them. I assume you will take the engine out of the frame anyway if you want this bike to be "showroom". It's a pity that the bike is that rough, for the little mileage it has.
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:12 am
by alimey4u2
Looks like we have some work to do but I have seen worse cases....
VIN numbers
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:51 am
by cbxmel
Hi everyone,
Not sure if I have posted this information before but here goes. I am slowly putting together a book on the history of the cbx and amongst the papers I have accumulated is a letter dated the 23 March 2001 from the manager of the Honda Collection hall at Motegi Mr Kunio Sakuraya. The Collection Hall maintain the historical records for Honda. I quote
" the cbx is a machine of longtime ago and in answer to your question about production volume,the number of units produced in Japan was 38,079 and 3150 were produced in the USA. Concerning your second and third questions(breakdown of production of various models) unfortunately there are no records available."
So you can see even a large company like Honda did not think to keep records so cbx lovers could debate the numbers built of each model over a pint and a cigar.
If anybody has any idea or evidence of the total of each model imported
into the USA and Canada I would be interested to know. For the record 2500 79's came to the UK with only one 80 bought by a member of staff of Honda UK who promptly crashed it into an aircraft(it was on the ground!) and 289 81/82 models were imported. Also I know 120 79's were imported into Denmark and over one hundred are still on the road out there. Doubt any other country could match that survival rate?
all the best Mel ICOA 1876
Survival rate
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:38 pm
by Ringnalda
You are forgetting how many CBX's were brought into the UK after the production was over Mel!
Geoff and myself just finished re-building an early CBX over here in the US, it still has smooth studs. Might keep it that way. CB12000605 with engine CB1E2001089, so even early on in 1978-9, the engine numbers were well ahead of the frame. My 1980 built in Japan is SC032000327 with Engine SC03E2000333, The Marysville 1980 is SC032012517 with Engine SC03E2004502.
Still never found out which is rarer, the black 1980 built in Japan or the one built in Marysville?
Jan
VIN
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:15 am
by cbxmel
Jan,
I do not dispute what you say, I was just saying how many officially were
imported into the UK by Honda. Having said that if the number of US market machines in the club is anything to go by not many have come in since and hardly any from Europe and the odd one or two from South Africa. Just a hundred or so I would say. We have a couple of owners with twenty plus each and they are a mix of 79,80,81&82 models but they are the exception. There are a few more owners with between five and ten but not many.Most members have one or two machines at most. So,from our records bearing in mind most cbx owners in the UK are in the the riders club we calculate there are no more than one thousand surving over here.Would love to know how many are reckoned to still be around worldwide? Ref your question about the 80. Pete Ruff's survey back in 1994 indicates total production at 4434 so it would appear that if the figure given to me by Honda is correct and mentioned in my previous post
the bikes in Japan are rarer than those built at Marysville unless somebody can prove otherwise. Hope all going well for you.
all the best Mel
Survival numbers
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:55 am
by Ringnalda
The actual survival number is a number which is important, to the extent it defines our current 'market'. I would say that from a starting number of 42,000 the remainder is likely around 10-15k worldwide. Considering that most CBX owners have more than 1, perhaps an average of 2 or just under, that would give a total number of CBX owners worldwide of 5,000-7,500 worldwide.
I do not know how close that estimate is to reality, just my thoughts.
Jan
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:05 am
by EMS
Personally, I think 15,000 is really on the high side. Considering the amount of bikes being parted out on an ongoing basis, ever since people found out that good exhausts and bodywork sets are being sold at higher prices than complete bikes, I would put the number of remaining CBXes worldwide definitely not higher than 10,000.
From what we had concluded earlier, and the fact that engine numbers of Marysville 1980s were approx. 1800-2000 higher than frame numbers, it seems that less than 2,000 of all 1980 CBXes were built in Japan.