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No worries, this is not an engine oil question :D

I am rebuilding my forks and was wondering what weight oil everyone is using. FSM says ATF oil, but I assume there are better things out there!
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ATF is nominally equivalent to 10W fork oil. I am #230 and prefer 15W oil, at 140mm (EDITED) air gap - measured with the fork collapsed and the springs removed, 10w will be plusher, 15w better damped.
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I think you meant 140 mm.

247 ml of fork oil will get you real close to 140 mm on a twin shock.
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My method (works super in my 79 750F with 35 mm tubes, 81 900F and 82 CBX with 39 mm tubes) is 15 weight fork oil (I weigh 230 +/-) filled to 6 inches (150 mm) from the top of the tube, with the spring removed and the tube completely sacked (gently of course) into the leg. I overfill the tube, then use a suction device (turkey baster / miti-vac / .....) to suck out fluid down to 6 inch level.
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Thanks everyone. I didn't mention it (and just updated my signature) I have the 1980 model with the air forks. Will dig into that soon, but my charging system gave up on me today, so not sure where to start first....
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Fixed my chanrging issues anf started digging into the forks. I had some issues getting the bottom bolt out of one fork leg, it was just spinning and the damper was turning. Blocked the bolt with a small screw driver and drilled it out, not what I had planned but it worked!
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oroepke wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:56 pm
Fixed my chanrging issues anf started digging into the forks. I had some issues getting the bottom bolt out of one fork leg, it was just spinning and the damper was turning. Blocked the bolt with a small screw driver and drilled it out, not what I had planned but it worked!
Next time just invert the (assembled) fork assembly, with a plug in your air cap orifice, and bump the damper rod bolt with a cordless impact to loosen. Turn the bolt back in by hand just enough to prevent making a mess and then disassemble as normal.

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I'll add that once you get the damper bolts out, chase the bolt and damper threads so re-assembly goes smoothly, and future disassembly does as well.

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Noblehops, I had first tried just with an Allen wrench and it started turning and only after that I used the impact driver. I think if I had started right away with the impact driver it may have worked. Lucklily, drilling it out was not too big of a problem.

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The thing that has worked for me on a couple of stubborn ones that even an impact wouldn't loosen, is to clamp the assembled fork leg horizontally in a vice. You have spring pressure obviously, but now lean heavily on the fork lower to compress the spring as much as possible, then zap it with the impact. Worth a try before drilling.

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daves79x wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:08 pm
The thing that has worked for me on a couple of stubborn ones that even an impact wouldn't loosen, is to clamp the assembled fork leg horizontally in a vice. You have spring pressure obviously, but now lean heavily on the fork lower to compress the spring as much as possible, then zap it with the impact. Worth a try before drilling.

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I have tried that too, but my mistake was that I tried with an Allen wrench first and the damper had started spinning inside the forks already. I have the feeling that if it hadn't moved first, it could have worked. I left the other leg installed in the tripe tree and hit if from below with the impact, pushing up pretty hard. No problem, came out easily. Lesson learned I guess!
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