Starter won't turn - HELP!


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Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:38 pm
Believe it or not, I'm not above sticking a shop vac on that screen just to remove any wedged crap in it.
OMG I thought I was the only one :D my vac has stunk of oil since every time I switch it on and to make matters worse I then decided to change the screen anyway after the initial oil change

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heli_madken wrote:
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NobleHops wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:38 pm
Believe it or not, I'm not above sticking a shop vac on that screen just to remove any wedged crap in it.
OMG I thought I was the only one :D my vac has stunk of oil since every time I switch it on and to make matters worse I then decided to change the screen anyway after the initial oil change
That’s best done AFTER the oil system has had a few dry cranks and ample time to drain :-).
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Thanks Nils for the valuable advise !

The O-ring kit I ordered from CMSNL seems to have all the O-rings and seals for the left cover.

I had kept the old oil and ran it through a fine mesh filter hoping to find the small broken piece of spring but it was not there. :(

I will remove the oil pan just to make sure the piece is not floating around somewhere else.

Getting to know my CBX :mrgreen:
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When we're servicing a new-to-us bike, we always drop that oil pan, looking for telltales of whatever evils might lurk in the engine, which has included chunks of the cam chain tensioners, bits of gasket, busted gear teeth, and worst-case scenario, wads of silicone boogers clogging the pickup screen resulting from the use of silicone sealants. If you don't find that piece of the spring don't lose any sleep over it. The transmission area is very slightly "dammed' from the sump and it's probably happily laying there minding its own business if you don't find it in the sump, and unlikely to cause any mischief.
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So I dropped the pan. I had prepared myself and installed newspaper everywhere better safe than sorry. Holy shit I thought I drained the oil. :laughing-rolling:

So my garage floor now has a nice brownhish hue. Oh well I tried. :sad-roulette:

No little piece of spring to be found or anything else for that matter, aside for a bit of grimy bits around the oil drain area.

A bit bummed but it probably came out when I took the oil out.

Cleaned everything up and will inspect further tomorrow morning. :text-thankyouyellow:
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:laughing-rolling:

Pardon me for laughing, but I promise I was laughing out of solidarity with you. I haven't done that exact boo-boo, but. I've done similar!

How was your pickup screen?

Don't lose a moment of sleep over the missing spring loop. It's happily napping in spooge under the transmission, or it's long gone. Use a magnetic oil drain plug and see if you get lucky down the road.
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I think the pickup screen is OK. No holes or tears. I felt all around it and the rubber surround feels really stiff but its not broken.

I passed the Shop Vac on it and here what it looks like.
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The 3 pieces of crap I removed after, looks like strands of fabric they came off easily.
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You’re looking good there.

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We've all been down some part of that highway of OH, SH** moments!. Happy with the screen outcome. Enjoy the ride.
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Both Tims CBX and CMSNL were really good and the parts came in this week. I changed the oil filter. New left side gasket. The new spring is installed and so is the gear shaft rubber seal.

Will be able to put everything back together tomorrow.

Pretty crazy such a small component can be responsible to immobilize such a beast. :o
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Yabbut you also got some other good maintenance done, and learned a bunch of good stuff. That was a big success in my book, well done.
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So putting everything back together this morning.

I can’t seem to find torque values for the left side cover bolts in the manual.

Should I be using the default 17-22 ft- pound for 8 mm ?
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Those are 6mm bolts. Torque values are based on thread size, not the size of the bolt head.

Personally I just tighten them by feel using a 1/4” ratchet and have not had any issues with leaks.
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108 INCH pounds is nominal for a 6mm bolt, but as Joe says, do them all evenly and just snug, and then just nip them up a little more. 15 FOOT pounds will send you off on a TimeSert adventure in super thin castings, a potential disaster. Be careful there.
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