Widened Comstar rim wanted (prolink)

Widened Comstar rim wanted (prolink)

Postby piit » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:21 pm

Hi, please let me know if you know where to get mentioned rim (I know Kosman does widening).
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Postby EMS » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:33 pm

How wide do you want to go? Personally, I think the Kosman jobs look lousy. All the ones I have seen show a thick weld seam :roll: Why does it have to be a "Prolink" wheel. :? If you want to change to a really wide wheel, why not using something completely different. Modern wheels are both lighter and stronger. This will also give you a much better choice of tires. Remember, if you stick with the stock diameter, but use a wider tire, your height will go up.
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Postby cbxtacy » Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:44 pm

Wow, I'm 5'10". How much bigger a tire do I have to get to get to 6'5"? I understand that I'm the perfect weight for 6'5" so that would be just what I need. :D Sorry for the hijack piit. Honda CBR600F-2 wheels fit fairly easy front and rear. That would give you a 4.5"X17" on the rear.
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Postby EMS » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:39 pm

cbxtacy wrote:Wow, I'm 5'10". How much bigger a tire do I have to get to get to 6'5"? I understand that I'm the perfect weight for 6'5" so that would be just what I need. :D .


George, that greatly depends on your personal aspect ratio. Knowing you, I would say the your shoulder height is only about 35% of your width - a really high performance aspect ratio. So, you would have to go quite wide to get any height increase :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby piit » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:37 am

Hi and thx for the replies. Some backround, I have already CB1100R -83 box rear swing and brake, prolink front end with brakes and prolink comstars. Comstars are fitted currently my ´79 and I am ready to go widened rear rim if cannot find other solution to have wider rear tyre (160-170 would be quite nice). I have been in contact to Kosman and 4.5" widened rim takes 525$+shipping to Finland. This is about the money I am ready to put this project. All the original parts I will store to possible later usage.
I have been tried to study and collect information about other possibilities for example CBR600 rims. A lot of rims available in ebay (germany). I am very open for all options, but as normally plans never keep in budjet so...you know other model front end (yeah, up and round), brakes, rear swing, 17" rims.
Does it sound bad to have only widened Comstar rear rim with 18"x160 tyre and in front 100/110x19"? Currently I am running with 130/80x19 rear and 100/90x19 front (after market rear shocks) and I am fine with the performance...I mean rear is now a bit lower, but I cannot "feel" problem. Regards,
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Postby piit » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:40 am

Hi, this should be front 100/110x19"? --> front 100 or 110x19"?
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Postby EMS » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:10 am

piit wrote: Does it sound bad to have only widened Comstar rear rim with 18"x160 tyre and in front 100/110x19"? Petri


That doesn't seem to be a bad combo. But again, the choice of 18 inch tires in this range is limited. Avon makes a 160/60-18, Metzeler makes a 150/70-18, Bridgestone a 160/60-18. Those are the most common i know of.
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Postby Mike Barone #123 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:34 pm

piit wrote:Hi and thx for the replies. Some backround, I have already CB1100R -83 box rear swing and brake, prolink front end with brakes and prolink comstars. Comstars are fitted currently my ´79 and I am ready to go widened rear rim if cannot find other solution to have wider rear tyre (160-170 would be quite nice). I have been in contact to Kosman and 4.5" widened rim takes 525$+shipping to Finland. This is about the money I am ready to put this project. All the original parts I will store to possible later usage.
I have been tried to study and collect information about other possibilities for example CBR600 rims. A lot of rims available in ebay (germany). I am very open for all options, but as normally plans never keep in budjet so...you know other model front end (yeah, up and round), brakes, rear swing, 17" rims.
Does it sound bad to have only widened Comstar rear rim with 18"x160 tyre and in front 100/110x19"? Currently I am running with 130/80x19 rear and 100/90x19 front (after market rear shocks) and I am fine with the performance...I mean rear is now a bit lower, but I cannot "feel" problem. Regards,
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I have a full 1100f front and back and Kosman widened my back 1100f rim to 4.5". This, plus a few other econo things I did transforms the CBX early model into what it should have been all along at all speed and in the twisties. Kosman also widens Comstars. I think I have seem pix of the welding seam on Kosmans ground off and it looks great. I dont know if you can do this on the widened Comstars or maybe even Kosman acn......ask them. I did not do this because I do not care that much about detail looks of things like this vs the overall outcome.... which in my case was ....improved handling.


Issues I see in what I think you said you might do
1. You could still keep your 19" front rim but you are going to have to do the math and raise the front forks to accomodate for the lower 160x17 on the back to keep your X near to stock specs. I am thinking ....take diff in diameter of the 160x17 and 130x18...divide this by two ....and this would be a good place to start raising your front forks to get the bike back to near stock. My guess is 11-15mm. If you do not do this your bike will be super steady on the straights, but require far more effort in the twisties to turn in and flick back and forth in tight twisties.

Note: Low theory here and I only have personal experience to back this up.....but I really do not think the contact patch of a 100 tire is quite up to improved braking that a four or six piston system can give. Also for fast street riding or track days and I think the 100 side tread angle is too steep and might be a mismatch for the wider rear tire tread angle....160...whatever, but you could try this and see how it works. After all if 100 series front tires were that trick and reallllly worked we would see them on new sport bikes and in WSB and MotoGP.

Finally I always thought that a wider 18" comstar rim off another period Honda could be bolted on an early model front hub........but to my knowledge no one ever did this. This would give you a 110x18 front and would be a cheap out for solving this.


Advantages of my conversion that apply to your components also
1. Bike is lower by 13mm or so due to 26mm less in diameter on front and back 1100f rims compared to stock CBX rims. Very big improvement in turn in and in the twisties in general

2. 1100f front brakes and the brakes you have are a big improvement over stock early model brakes. I do not know about 1100r brakes which I am guessing are equal or better than 1100f brakes, but in the end almost anything is an improvement over stock early model front brakes components.

3. 1100f forks have an early version of anti-dive that works....really works on hard braking. It works so well it took some time for me to adjust. If your 1100r front forks have anti-dive this will be a good improvement.

4. In my view, you have to go with a wider rear rim to ensure you get all the benefit out of your other improved components. I dont want to go into my views on wider vs narrow rims on heavy and powerful bikes but suffice to say there are few if any new bikes today with around 100hp or more with 130 rear tires............and for very good reason. Like I said I have a 160 and like it. It has a balanced look with the back of a stock CBX which in my view a 180 tire does not..........and the 160 does work great...right out to the edge on track days.

If you agree/approve, I will call Sandy Kosman and see if we can get a better price for you on the Comstar rim widening. No promises....but if we dont try we know the answer..right.

Best and happy to see you on line


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Postby Mike Barone #123 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:06 pm

Since both of us share being on a budget for our CBX modifications I am going to show some photos of my early model with the 1100f front and back transplant, gusseted frame, 8" headlight and some other things I did over the years while not spending alot of money. Given the selling price of the left over 1100f parts I probably broke even on all this....more/less.

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8" headlight on CBX

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160 rear tire on 4.5 Kosman weldup rim

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Ole and inexpensive steering damper. Check how it is mounted. This was done in 1983!!!!!

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Frame guessets and extra reinforcement tubing. Again this work was done in 1983. This photo is at Marlinton in 2003 where I was busy cleaning it up for the bike show. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Might be just a dream or worse :crazy: but I think I can recall at least a few super clean, low mileage stock CBXs images in that bar end mirror getting a weee bit smaller. Another mini trick that yielded amazing results was widening these Interceptor handlebars by 18mm or so....almost like power steering. One of my top six mods to a CBX. Note the distorted throttle grip....now how does something like that happen :face: :suspect: !!!!

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Front side view showing 1100f forks/brakes, clips, 8" headlight profile and lowered instruments canted upward a bit. All this was done in mid 1990s

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Gordon and Sandra Gooch at Marlinton: You can see the lower height with 1100f front and back

Ofcourse this X was never entered in any Rally bike shows, but it is a good example of what can be done on a budget if have a specific goal (again, mine was handling), plan out what parts you need and take your time looking for them...it will all work out.

You have one big advantage going for you......most of the things you want to do now ...there are those that did them or something close to what you want to do and can help you.

Best now......keep on asking q until you know for sure what you need and want to do. We are all here to help you.


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Postby piit » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:05 pm

Hi all and thanks for the comments. Nice to get feedback and practical experiences. About tyre size it 160 looks very nice, balanced rear view and most important looks absolutely great!!!

Mike, thanks for the pics. Rear pic confirmed my thought about widened rear tyre. My goal is to get improvements on handling and also get better looking by some modification like widened rear tyre, prolink frontend etc.
I will go ahead with prolink rims in front 19x110 and rear 18x160 (widened Kosman rim).
You mentioned earlier that you could ask lower price from Mr. Kosman. I would really appreciate if you would do that!

Btw. at first I though that you mentioned by gusseted frame yourself :D

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Postby Des Brown » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:21 am

Try this setup cb1100 front and vf750 rear
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the vf750 rear gives you a 4.00x18
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Postby Mike Barone #123 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:18 am

Des

Very, very, very nice..................

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Postby alimey4u2 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:23 am

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Postby EMS » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:53 am

Is the VF750 gold comstar a 4.00" rim :? :? :?
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Postby Des Brown » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:36 pm

Yes 4.00x18 I firstly I bought cb1100 rims from Germany and fitted them but the rear is 4.00x 17 and I didnt like the small wheel at the back and my reves were up on the engine,so I altered the gearing to suit but i wont go into that for now, I then found out that the vf750 is the same wheel but a 18in,so I went for this setup ,The front is a 18in so I lowered the mudguard by 3/4in.
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