'Diamond in the rough'

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Welcome home, Nils. I loved the post about your trip . Nice job!
I'm gearing up to tear into my H2s
Really?? Spill the beans Cadet....what's the plan??
Me? Well, I had a bit of trouble last summer, and after seven months ( to the day ) was finally fit enough to haul my sagging behind back into work. Its all going to be in the movie...check local theaters for listings :laughing-rolling:
I knew this day was coming, and pushed to get as far ahead on the 'X' as possible.My buddies are barkin' for me to have a look at their toys now too. Spare time is. quickly, disappearing :(
I'm trying to get going on the painting, but the trouble is, I'm now at the mercy of the weather. I'll shoot the frame, like I always do, beside the house ( don't laugh...it usually works out ok) But seeing as the paint, BASF Limco, is very temperature sensitive, I have to wait for it to get a bit warmer.I need to get the frame done before pushing on to other items. I expect that things should really take off after that !!
At the moment, trapped indoors as I am, I'm playing around with smaller more managable items, like the tank & front fender for instance.
Here's a look at how the 'process' ( like I have one of those ) evolves;
I'll look on the net for logos/images, I'll also keep an eye open and save anything that I might be likely to use at a future date ( like the advert I found in a newspaper below). I'll either scan & enlarge them to fit the dimensions of the area I have to fill, or manually draw/enlarge them to fit ( like the Honda wing logo here);

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Then, its a matter of transfering the image to the item ( that has previously been shot with primer), and marking where the masking tape will be applied;

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That's the only glimpse you're getting of the tank until its done....use you're imagination for now :P
Seeing as the image area on the tank is rather large and the surface irregular, I've opted to draw the image on & then use masking tape to define the edges. The front fender is a different matter. Its small enough that frisket paper is a great alternative. I found this image of Mickey Mouse, that made me smile, on a newspaper add. The size is right, so I fabbed a light-table and cut a 'mask' of it in the frisket paper, using an e-xacto knife ( with a crisp new blade) ;

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The fender was shot with primer and then the background color, I wanted, was masked & shot;

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Mickey's right hand was hidden in the advert, so I duplicated his left and 'dropped' it in place. Here' s the first frisket paper 'mask' in place & the black being applied with a basic air brush ( no need to go all high tech/super quality double -action brush for this. Basic brushes do a great job);

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'Mask' removed, black done;

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Next, its an overlay of white ( using another hand-cut frisket paper 'mask'), some definition to the red background, adding the remaining color to the fender,and a few final coats of clear.
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You are OUT of your mind. I am blown away.

Glad you enjoyed the trip report, I will attempt to push it forward again tomorrow before I forget it all.

The H2 is getting some kind of resto mod treatment - I have a GSXR front end for it, and a lovely aluminum swingarm for it. I'll brace the frame with the period "Denco" bracing and then attempt to arrive at good chassis geometry by fiddling with the rear height. Will try to simulate that all on paper before I start in on it.

Engine will likely get the John Aylor reed valve treatment, a rebuilt crank, and then everything else rebuilt, inspected, injected, detected. neglected etc. Contemplating rubber mounting the motor too. Then it's 'what to do with the bodywork'.

I want it to look period in many ways, will probably drop a small fortune in custom spoke wheels, to mate up to the GSXR front end.

Thinking anodized and powdercoat gold finishes, black frame and accents, and lurid metal flake purple for the color. MAYBE a black engine.

Frankly scared that I'm about to spend an awful lot of money and time building a bike that won't be fun to ride, and is unsellable when I tire of it.

But whatever. I'll probably do it anyway :laughing-lettersrofl:

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Wow, its tough getting your game back on. My schedules are all out of whack lately. Sorry to leave you hanging ,Nils.
Frankly scared that I'm about to spend an awful lot of money and time building a bike that won't be fun to ride, and is unsellable when I tire of it.
You know, Nils, now's not the time to try to be any different then the rest of us, sad souls, on the site.
Me? I figured that , ya, I'de hemmorage money putting the 'X' together. But, hey, the booze & hookers were killing me!
Besides, just the few points that you mentioned sound intriguing. I can hardly wait to see it, or hear it , for that matter.And, how could that bike, in any iteration, not be a screaming hoot to ride?! I wouldn't fret about resale values. Go ahead and build something that suits your, individual, tastes.I'm betting you lurk about here quite a bit;
http://2strokebiker.blogspot.com/
Great stuff, same guy , Steve D, that runs ;
http://motorcyclephotooftheday.com/
Lots of ideas/inspirations!
Oh, and the weather played nice. I pride myself on my surgically clean painting areas. Honestly, you'd really be suprised at the results.
PRIMER:

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COLOR ( hey, the Invisible Man stopped by to shoot a few coats) ;

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I managed to get the clearcoat on the mags ( they came out very nice!).
Now, I just have to scrape some time together to start bolting things up.
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Like your paint booth, Mike. Mine looks very similar. Must be the same manufacturer ;-)
It is obviously too late now, but did you at any time consider adding a little more bracing to that frame or do you think it will be good enough?

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Like your paint booth, Mike. Mine looks very similar. Must be the same manufacturer
I stand in good company then. 'Swingset Sprayers' unite !
but did you at any time consider adding a little more bracing to that frame or do you think it will be good enough?
I figured that someone might ask about that. Grateful as I was for the idea, in the end I opted not to follow through. It seemed I'd compromise access to my coils, and I was thinking of how much more welding might be involved ( time/money).

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Man, I want to learn how to paint.

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Man, I want to learn how to paint.
Me too. Every time I drag out those guns I pick up something else. No, not dust (but that's not out of the question), tricks/methods. I'm here to tell you, Nils, there's no substitute for trial and error.Grab a, inexpensive, gun and start spraying. You'll be suprised how quickly you start to get the hang of things. There are a lot of variables, but experience is a great teacher.
I once had a Harley to redo. Buddy dropped off some crazy expensive purple metal flake paint for me to shoot. I didn't want to experiment on the Harley, and waste large amounts of paint....In the end, a smaller item to 'test' on presented itself.My daughter had the only purple metal flake bicycle in town :laughing-rolling:
Did I mention I have a Ducati-yellow lawn mower?
Have you seen my bicycle?
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I used to paint my helmets too;
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My wife is fond of saying that ," If it isn't nailed down, Mike will find a way to paint it".God bless her, she's not far from the truth. Though, just being nailed down is no assurance I won't find a way to spray something :D

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I'm doin it. Will be fun.

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Mike! I ripped into my CBX the other day =) got some fairings off. :D hopefully follow your lead on this project!

I wish i had your skills... I'm looking to paint my helmet too! is it hard? should i pay some one $300 to do it or just buy the air brush kit and mess around?

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Mike! I ripped into my CBX the other day =) got some fairings off. hopefully follow your lead on this project!
Oh man, Nils is painting, you are, finally, tearing your 'X' apart. My work here is done :D
Is helmet painting hard? Well, there are some trix you have to pick up, paint is expensive, and its very time consuming. If you can get a decent job done for $300.00, I'd say take it!
Here's a little lunchtime project I got done last week. The DG resonator looked to be a bit on the small (diameter) side. My buddy, Joel, kicked in a Yoshimura muffler off a GSXR 1000 , that he no longer needed. I couldn't use the can, but the resonator looked promising. I cut out the original DG bit & McGyvered in the Yosh internals.I cut a, used, rear shock from a Toyota Sienna for the adaptors at either end, and opened the caps to accept them. I could tell you I did it to free up the power a bit more, and that wouldn't be entirely wrong. But...we all know that a more honest reason would have something to do with letting out the 'Big Six Sonnata', for internal combustion lovers everywhere to enjoy 8)
That's the DG bit on the bottom and at right, respectively, in the photos. The DG resonator slides, easily into the Yosh part.

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Two ,small ,side-jobs in the AM tomorrow. Promising PM temps. With any luck, the frame will get dropped on the motor, suspension bolted up......
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Wow ! Cant wait to see the finished product.

I'm just buying random tid bits as i see them.

So far i have a 2010 CBR 1000 RR front end. picked that up for $500. everything from Rims rotors etc.

Theres a seller looking to sell a ducati 848 swingarm... what do you think Mike?

"I will sell the complete swing arm for 350 plus shipping. That will include rear brake master, rotor, caliper, carbon fender, swing arm bolt. If you want the quick change carrier and sprocket that will be $100 more. So $450 plus shipping."

Whats this quick change carrier? think it will fit on the back of the CBX? @_@ ...

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DB, I like the look of the Duc parts, but mounting them is a bit more work. There's the matter of finding room for the upper, rocker, mount & linkage. I imagine sprocket alignment might be a more complicated matter too. The cush drive assemblies in the Ducs don't ,easily, lend themselves to modification. Though, there seem to be a lot of folks who've adopted this mod, so the knowledge is out there. Hey, maybe someone right here on the forum.
The quick change carrier refers to an aftermarket carrier for the rear sprocket ,on the Duc , that allows you to replace it ( the rear sprocket) without pulling the cushdrive off the rear spindle.
That CBR front end is a nice find. Great quality suspension.

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bikeymikey748 wrote: mounting them is a bit more work. There's the matter of finding room for the upper, rocker, mount & linkage. I imagine sprocket alignment might be a more complicated matter too. The cush drive assemblies in the Ducs don't ,easily, lend themselves to modification. Though, there seem to be a lot of folks who've adopted this mod, so the knowledge is out there. Hey, maybe someone right here on the forum.
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I have seen quite a few single sided swingarm mods. Arms sourced from Interceptors to Ducatis. Many of them were installed without regard for intended geometry and thus are doubtful to work better than anything they replaced. Especially the Ducati swingarms were just put in to fit. Totally ignoring that the original shock has a linkage and a position to work correctly. But they sure look cool.

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Man, what an excellent weekend!
Ah....Progress!!
Wheels !;

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Frame got dropped onto the motor too !:

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Somebody, stop me!!
I'd love to stay and chat, but there's a Scotch waiting upstairs with my name on it :D
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NobleHops wrote:I'm doin it. Will be fun.

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Nils, Summit Racing has this starter Devilbiss kit on sale now for $125.00, 10 percent off, Like you I have decided to take a spin at painting and my local paint supply guy said it's a decent kit for the price.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DVR-802343/

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